I think it was right to have fired him... oh, Im not talking about the picture, Im talking for having send such a darn sloopy manip! Shess.. what he use, MS Paint? Maybe he should had visited the tutorail section on DA or something, that was such a bad manip, he deserved to get fired for that alone.

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to me, i am aginst most photomanipulation. i believe it ok to mix BW and color, or to do somthing that the mind says "thats faked and still damn cool" and removing dust and scratches are ok to me too. beyond that, and i think its kinda grey area.

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what the guy did was wrong...
as for the "is manipulation in photojournalism alright?" question..i think there's a line not to be crossed...
on the battle field, i'm sure there are alot of photos that captured a great scene, a moving moment, etc that came out dark or fuzzy or something like that. enhancing the photo in that respect prolly saves alot of great artwork
however....manipulation to the point that the idea is miscontrued...the subject matter is changed...or anything that blurs the line between fact and fiction...
it just doesnt belong in a newspaper..
i mean...that's sinking to the level of "the national Inquirer"
to the guy

if for nothing else...getting caught

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T O P I C Discussion Started: 07-10-2002, 2:54 PM
Attorneys for a teen who was videotaped while an Inglewood police
officer slammed him onto a squad car plan to file a lawsuit over the
incident as public pressure mounts and various law enforcement agencies
launch separate investigations. Meanwhile another man claims he too was
beaten by Inglewood police officers. What do you think about the police
brutality situation in Inglewood? Elsewhere? What, if anything, do you
think the videotape proves?

don87654 07-16-2002, 3:27 PM
Southern California cops are just plain crooked, period! I was once a
State of California Correctional Peace Officer at the California
Institute for Women at Frontera. We were taught in the Academy at Galt
how to formulate evidence to make ourselves look good and victims to
look bad. I refused to cater to this treatment and was fired by an
abusive Lieutenant that was in charge of Internal Affairs at the time.
Later because of my outspoken stances on this, charges were levied
against me involving vehicle tampering and simple assault and I was
convicted of this by what appeared to be paid police witnesses. My
attorney at the time, one of the best criminal lawyers in southern
California, told me to pack my bags and leave town, which I did. It took
him 8 long years to get my conviction erased from court records and to
get the warrant for my arrest dropped by the court so I was no longer
"wanted". It does not matter where they are at....these California cops
that completed the Academy in Los Angeles, or for the State, are just
plain crooked--they are taught to be that way

[ in "Cop Land", they train cops to destroy or MANIPULATE the evidence ]

Jbp912 07-10-2002, 6:21 PM
I am a disabled military veteran. I am in my senior years and I have
become cynical of police officers and the entire judicial system. There
has been too much lying, cover-ups, and irresponsible behavior by law
enforcement persons. It seems there is a lack of proper training, poor
recruitment, and too much hubris. The bottom line is bad management and
no accountability, but we live in an age of extreme mediocrity.
Thank you, JBP

Patriottoo 07-10-2002, 4:20 PM
This is a clear cut case of a rabid, over zealous, adreinaline pumped,
and I'm suprised his eyes weren't bulging out of his head cop! The teen
was OBVIOUSLY in custody when he was BRUTILIZED with the UNNECESSARY
FORCE of SLAMMING his head on the trunk lid of the police car and then
PUNCHING him FIST CLOSED in the face, by the this cop. I don't care who
a person is, or what they have done, NOBODY, and I mean NOBODY deserves
to be treated in that manner. Once the 'cuffs' are on, all force that
was necessary to place a suspect in custody MUST STOP! I hope this
maniac of a police officer is prosecuted to the fullest extent that the
law allows, and receives the maxium penalty for his crimes! Only when
the courts get serious and start holding those in the police agencies
around the country who would engage in this type of brutality, fully
responsible for thier crimes will we see an end to it!
Patriot Too


In retrospect, the LA Times did the right thing in enforcing their ethics & professionalism. It's something the cops & the Financial Sector (the wave of corruption, "Cheating to Compete" was a phrase used) need to learn how to do.

"Never believe what you read, & only half of what you see"

Kinda scares yo a little knowing that the media can manipulatre literally anything nowadays to portray something exactly the way they want it to be portrayed. It makes you think who else could start using these techniques of manipulation, its a bit far out there but corrupt cops for fake evidence?? Kinda freaky I think!

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Here's the thing. Photographs have been altered, either in the taking of the photograph or in the printing of it in a darkroom, since the advent of the medium. Look at Curtis' prortraits of Native Americans. He would "dress them up" in "historical Indian garb" and photograph them. Members of different tribes would have the EXACT same clothing and head-dresses in different photograph. The result was a ficticious portrayal of Native Americans, and this was done a hundred years ago! Civil War photographers would "stage" battle scenes, or move bodies into a more interesting position (look at Brady's photograph of the sniper in Devil's Den, Gettysburg). They would change the values of photographs to make Confedate uniforms look Union, or vice versa. Someone has already mentioned the OJ photo from TIME magazine, and the debate that flared from that. My point is that editing like this has always been done, in varying degrees. The result is a distrust in the media due to a much wider public knowledge of the occurences. Is it right that he did it? Absolutely not. Is it going to stop someone from doing it in the future? No. Unfortunately there's no real answer to this debate. We just cannot rely soley on media images for factual information, because even context can be altered.

(Sorry for the novel)

Yes, very interesting. I'd like to hear more political news pertaining to art and photography. Well of course that guy was at fault for impersonating a composite as a real photo, but i do hate businesses tolerance for mistakes.

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"but cant he just promise to never do it again ?"

lol, welcome to the real world. you make mistakes, you break the rules, you're found out, you pay for them.

"it ddint change the message of the picture...although it looks liek the soldier is gunna shotot eh baby"

so...you're contradicting yourself then, eh ?

"he just wanted to show the faces of the people, and make..."

no, he just wanted to get a stunning front-page worthy shot that would sell to lots of other newspapers and give him a reputation as ace war photographer.
it's all about fame and money.

"at least he told the truth"

after he was found out, yes...and, seeing the sloppy manip he did, it would have been quite embarassing if he had tried to come up with some farfetched story to corroborate the authenticity of the shot...

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hmm well, its not too bad, i mean yeah he did breaka rule, but cant he just promise to never do it again? i mean it wasnt that bad, it ddint change the message of the picture.. although it looks liek the soldrier is gunna shotot eh baby, but anyways, he didn a very good job photoshopping it,. and he just did it because he took 2 crappy pictures that were front page quality, and he just wanted to show the faces of the people, and make the soldier appear a little bigger, lol but yeah, it is compositionaly better, but hey, at least he told the truth.. right?

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